The Art of Dreaming

[Lasher]

I had forgotten about my posts in this thread previous, and I must say that even after all this time I still seem to not have much dreaming to show for.

magnetman said:

Deep sleep takes us past the astral, into the etheric plane where our souls are recharged. The etheric is an advanced plane of consciousness, guarded by an awesome sound barrier. No memories are brought back from it - possibly because once there, consciousness simply is absorbed in itself.

I like this... intense.

Have a question though... is being active in the astral plane a semi-recharge as opposed to deep sleep or is it in fact something that in of itself is tension that you will need to recover from within deep sleep?

And if you are someone who seems to experience almost exclusively deep sleep... what does that mean?

[piper]

lasher said:

I had forgotten about my posts in this thread previous, and I must say that even after all this time I still seem to not have much dreaming to show for.

magnetman said:

Deep sleep takes us past the astral, into the etheric plane where our souls are recharged. The etheric is an advanced plane of consciousness, guarded by an awesome sound barrier. No memories are brought back from it - possibly because once there, consciousness simply is absorbed in itself.

I like this... intense.

Have a question though... is being active in the astral plane a semi-recharge as opposed to deep sleep or is it in fact something that in of itself is tension that you will need to recover from within deep sleep?

And if you are someone who seems to experience almost exclusively deep sleep... what does that mean?

Hey Lash this came to mind when I read Magnets answer, reaffirms along the lines what he was saying

" you take a journey into the Unmanifested every night when you enter the phase of deep dreamless sleep. You merge with the Source. You draw from the vital energy that sustains you for a while when you return to the manifested. This energy is much more vital than food." But in dreamless sleep you don't go into it consciously. Although the bodily functions are still operating "you" no longer exist in that state. Power of Now

[Trivium515]

Kinda buttin' in here, but I have a similar issue as Lather; it used to be that whenever I dreamt it was an interesting adventure, beautifully and vividly illustrated in my mind, I used to look forward to it each night. But for the past…six months, there has been next to nothing and those precious few times I do dream it seems mundane, and well, rather boring. So I guess my question is: why such the drastic change? And is there something I can consciously do to change this?

[MagnetMan]

piper said:

Have a question though... is being active in the astral plane a semi-recharge as opposed to deep sleep or is it in fact something that in of itself is tension that you will need to recover from within deep sleep?

Nightmares in the astral can be intensely stressful. definitely need to recharge in deep sleep.

And if you are someone who seems to experience almost exclusively deep sleep... what does that mean?

Dead tired.

[Jupiter]

And if you are someone who seems to experience almost exclusively deep sleep... what does that mean?

Maybe you are a person who is at peace with themselves. When I don't feel preoccupied or guilty about something I sleep like a baby

[piper]

"One could say that the Dreaming is a spiritual realm which saturates the visible world with meaning; that it is the matrix of being; that it was the time of creation; that it is a parallel universe which may be contacted via the ritual performance of song, dance and painting; that it is a network of stories of mythological heroes – the forerunners and creators of contemporary man."`--- awake and asleep.........

This was a good explanation for me

[Trivium515]

piper said:

"One could say that the Dreaming is a spiritual realm which saturates the visible world with meaning; that it is the matrix of being; that it was the time of creation; that it is a parallel universe which may be contacted via the ritual performance of song, dance and painting; that it is a network of stories of mythological heroes – the forerunners and creators of contemporary man."`--- awake and asleep.........

This was a good explanation for me

Cool. Thanks for sharing Piper.
I've always loved the idea that the world of dreams is a parellel universe, really mind blowing to think about.

[callmeharley]

Ok, I'm new to this whole thing and all, but this topic struck my attention and I thought I would share one of my dream experiences.

When my mother passed away in 2005 of lung cancer, my sister had told me of her dreaming of her, not of past experiences or of what could have been memories, but more of her essence surrounding my sister while she lay in bed, as if to comfort her.

Days turned into weeks, and I still hadn't dreamed of her, or had such a feeling of comfort in her "life after death" if you believe in such a thing. But then again, I wasn't sleeping to well.

Finally, after months of hardly sleeping, I had fallen into a deep sleep, one I hadn't felt in what seemed like forever, and my mind went blank. I had no feeling of sorrow, no feeling of a great loss, nothing. I then felt like I had woke from my slumber, to my mother, in her healthiest state ever, hovering above me with her beautiful smile, nodding as if her "life after death" was better than ever. I had never, in my life time, felt so happy, so comforted as I did in that moment.

After this dream, I had a true sense of peace about her death. Is this just my mind giving me a false sense of security so my body would finally rest? Or is it something else, beyond explanation?

[soulatom]

Skeptics would probably say that it was all your mind, or as you said your body obtaining relief.

I know of people who have been unable to obtain peace and rest and their bodies driven into the ground without the kind of relief you are describing. I know alot of people who have truned to drugs and alcohol as the only answer to their anxiety after a trauma and a way to obtain sleep.

And then many people have told me how the spirit of a loved one came to them in a dream and not as a dreamlike sequence but as you describe, in essence or feeling. My belief is that it is the spiritual energy of the person sensing we need reassurance or comfort finding us and letting us know they are OK.

Pets too. I have actually felt a dog that died running next to me.

Nice post Harley :-)

[MagnetMan]

callmeharley said:

I then felt like I had woke from my slumber, to my mother, in her healthiest state ever, hovering above me with her beautiful smile, nodding as if her "life after death" was better than ever. I had never, in my life time, felt so happy, so comforted as I did in that moment.

This event that happened to me was not a dream, but it relates to what you have just recounted.

I loved my mother but was very critical of the way she conducted her life. She died young and painfully, of ovarian cancer. At her funeral my thoughts at the time remained critical. Basically I was saying to her: "You made your bed ma, now lie in it." Very cruel I know, but that was the way I felt then.

About tens years later I was living in Ojai, a magical valley in Ventura county in California. One day I felt the presence of my mother. It was as though she was inside my body. I felt I was her, thinking about her life through me. The feeling of being her lasted for about a week. At the end of which time I felt I knew her and how her life had simply happened that way and that dwelling on all her mistakes screened me from all that was good about her. Once I had arrived at that realization, I felt at peace with her. Then she left.

Is this just my mind giving me a false sense of security so my body would finally rest? Or is it something else, beyond explanation?

The following might help you.

A week after my mother's spirit left me, a letter arrived from my younger sister in South Africa. She described a dream she had about our mother. She dreamed that my mother had just arrived in heaven and that she witnessed the meeting between her and my father, who had died fourteen years earlier. My sister said that they were laughing together and that she had never realized just how heavenly laughter could sound.

What has come out of all that for me is the realization that an unhappy person cannot enter heaven - that my critical attitude to my mother, and possibly her own bad feelings about herself, had kept her from a happy after life.

I think after ten years in limbo and/or whatever hell she might have sent herself to - in order to burn off her shame - she had finally made peace with herself. She then visited me and when I was also at peace with her, she finally felt free to be happy in her after-life.