World Poverty

[Kwan Yu]

murex said:

So.....birth control?

Ultra-sound spell death for girls in China and India.

Big family
Happy family.

[TarotDragon]

I really don't think birth control is the way to go. In a lot of cultures having children is an intregal part of their society. So mandating birth control would most likely cause more harm than good. It also goes against the natural instinct to create.

Pretty much only leaves you with one option I guess and that's changing the current... way things are. Not only our system, but our beliefs as well. From what I've experienced and had people say back to me about Africa's situation is "fix yourself. I've got my own problems". So stated by MagnetMan in the first post. Somehow that has got to change because that really is not the attitude ot have.

[murex]

Well, if you can think of a solution, I'd like to hear it.

[MagnetMan]

murex said:

Well, if you can think of a solution, I'd like to hear it.

This forum was created in order to discuss the evolution of human consciousness in general.

The present conditions on the planet are obviously the result of pre-conditions created in the past. My book on Psyche-Genetics examines the development of human consciousness from the moment the first hominid became self-aware - and projects forward the exact sequence of evolutionary events that have taken place over the past 100,000 generations, leading to modern consciousness.

That vast effort of ancestral development continues to drive the events that will happen in the future.

Understanding all this allows one to see that world poverty is inevitable and that its removal is also part of our destiny.

Global stewardship, which is the basic tenet underlying this forum, explores the large-scale engineering projects that, if implemented, can engage the creative energy of the entire specie in sustainable planet managements practices.

Preliminary posts on Education, Energy, Agriculture, Housing and metaphysics are already on the boards.

If you have any additional ideas to add, or criticisms to make please do.

[nickelfire]

murex said:

Well, if you can think of a solution, I'd like to hear it.

I’m not against birth control either, but forcing limited procreation, like in China, is an infringement on natural rights, but your point is still valid. Education on children and what they mean can certainly be implemented, and obviously protection can go a long way to prevent starving children, not to mention aids. I think a mixture of all these things could at least make the situation a little better.

[murex]

nickelfire said:

murex said:

Well, if you can think of a solution, I'd like to hear it.

I’m not against birth control either, but forcing limited procreation, like in China, is an infringement on natural rights, but your point is still valid. Education on children and what they mean can certainly be implemented, and obviously protection can go a long way to prevent starving children, not to mention aids. I think a mixture of all these things could at least make the situation a little better.

Just don't forget: bringing another into this world acquires one without a voice. If there is an inability to provide for the new person, the parents are at fault.

[Kwan Yu]

murex said:

[Just don't forget: bringing another into this world acquires one without a voice. If there is an inability to provide for the new person, the parents are at fault.

Mother Nature is pro-birth
It is foolish to arouse Her wrath

[Lasher]

Excuse me for jumping in here... But I was having a conversation last night that I think relates to this...

Basically the question was what defines super-powers anymore? And my thought was that the very idea of superpowers will steadily become irrelevant. People think of superpowers and they think of military might, economic clout... they think the US or China, India, Russia what have you... but I think what defines power is fundamentally changing. The most powerful (and in a sense the most invulnerable) countries of the future will be those that are completely self-sufficient. So alter your perspective with that in mind and you've got countries like Denmark or France becoming the standard. (I'm not saying they are yet but they are operating more along those lines) Continue on with that and the most externally-powerful countries will be those who go above and beyond self-sufficiency and aid in lifting other nations to that standard.

Which brings me back on topic... Permanently solving the crisis of world poverty is only be possible if each nation can attain the technology and energy to essentially look after themselves, right?

So international aid is the only way those so impoverished can possibly rise above it without having to go through generations of hardship and suffering while the rest simply look on. Which is a redundant point I know but it reminds me of the 2002 Monterrey Conference and the feeling I had then, that somehow it is possible to fix it within our lifetimes... the idea that such an enormous task, when equally shouldered is so very doable, you know? Anyway, here is a link to it's status right now.

It's positively irksome to be a citizen of a country in the brown.

Who knows if it's the right way to go, but to me it beats the shize out of private charities and initiatives.

In the end I think we are only harming ourselves with such idleness. Awareness of the plight of the have-nots plays insidiously on the subconscious of the rest. Psychic damage can be just as difficult to overcome as physical hurt and guilt may be the worst subconscious hurt of all.

Gosh... now I've got myself on a downer.

[TarotDragon]

That's an interesting bit of information, Lasher. I never knew they were doing that. And it is disappointing to learn that Americans are in the "brown". As quoted from the site:

Only six countries have not yet set up a schedule to give 0.7%. These are Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, Switzerland, and the United States. To raise the $195 billion a year, these six will need to reach the goal.

These six countries are all democracies. All that is necessary for them to reach the 0.7% goal is for enough of their citizens to show their support.

What does that say about us?

[murex]

Nice post Lash. All nations do have to become self-sufficiant to become super-powerful. This is also a big part of my personal philosophy.

[Lasher]

strictlyplatonic said:

That's an interesting bit of information, Lasher. I never knew they were doing that. And it is disappointing to learn that Americans are in the "brown". As quoted from the site.


What does that say about us?

I don't know, really... Because if you look at it, almost every country that hasn't set up a schedule are those that are supposed to be the most westernized and advanced nations, particularly the English speaking ones. It's actually a rather disturbing trend...

murex said:

Nice post Lash. All nations do have to become self-sufficient to become super-powerful. This is also a big part of my personal philosophy.

Thanx. It does seem to be the logical progression of things. I would hazard a guess that your personal philosophy would incorporate having a 0 carbon-footprint...?

Also, like I mentioned, each population becomes less vulnerable to aggression when they are not taking from other populations to survive/thrive.

I was just thinking, if it were me calling the shots, I would take it a step further than the Monterrey Conference, and each country would dedicate citizen man-power hours on the ground along with capital. Each country could then set-up a system within on where that man-power would come from. Again, if it were me, it would come mostly from the student demographic.

[TarotDragon]

lasher said:

I was just thinking, if it were me calling the shots, I would take it a step further than the Monterrey Conference, and each country would dedicate citizen man-power hours on the ground along with capital. Each country could then set-up a system within on where that man-power would come from. Again, if it were me, it would come mostly from the student demographic.

Good idea. Send the people to the areas with the most need. Students would be a lot of young people and fewer family obligations. Maybe get some sort of school credit for their work?

[Lasher]

strictlyplatonic said:

Good idea. Send the people to the areas with the most need. Students would be a lot of young people and fewer family obligations. Maybe get some sort of school credit for their work?

Yeah... I like that. Maybe even whole separate kind of currency... stewardship moola. That sounds uber-hippie, I know... but hippies never hurt no one.

[know knot]

strictlyplatonic said:

Good idea. Send the people to the areas with the most need. Students would be a lot of young people and fewer family obligations. Maybe get some sort of school credit for their work?

i like the idea of school credits.

[TarotDragon]

i like the idea of school credits.

I was thinking maybe something to do with tuition. Like, depending on how much of your time you volunteer, knocks down the price. Cause a lot of kids could go to college and just cant afford it. But if they're enlisted in useful programs it seems only fair to reward them with the education they're seeking. Maybe that way they could start doing what they want to do instead of doing what they can afford to do. I dunno, just a thought.