Doomsday Vault For Millions Of Seeds?

[johnb1]

Check it out Fellaz

news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1306889,00.html

[Trivium515]

Maybe try giving the link again, the first one doesn't seem to be working.

P.S welcome to the forum!

[TarotDragon]

Okay, for some reason the forum wont allow the whole address to link. You'll have to just copy and paste it into your browser. There's more articles in the sight.

news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1307033,00.html

But yeah, I was watching the news the other night and caught the tail end of this story. Good freakin' idea, if you ask me. Its kinda frightening that world leaders are scared enough to open this project, but also reassuring that they're thinking enough to do it.
They're saying that bunker can withstand a nuclear war, is close enough to the north pole to stay frozen, and is high enough to be safe from ocean water rising. Maybe this step will be enough to make people see that things are bad if we're stock piling against every disaster.

[know knot]

i love this idea.

strictlyplatonic said:

Maybe this step will be enough to make people see that things are bad if we're stock piling against every disaster.

It's a step.

knot

[Trivium515]

Thanks TD, this is interesting, actually I've been wondering if something like this existed. I've read about small companies who collect and save 'heirloom' seeds, which are non-hybrid open pollinated seeds but nothing as large-scale as that vault, it is somewhat reassuring and comforting really.

[nickelfire]

Go Norway! This is a really good idea, now they can bring back certain crops that may be on the verge of extinction thanks to Global Warming or anything like that… Now only if they could freeze away Polar and Panda Bears… ;D You know, bring them back when it’s safe out? Maybe they should freeze a man and a woman too… Lol, I’m getting way ahead of myself...

[TarotDragon]

nickelfire said:

Maybe they should freeze a man and a woman too…

Dude, that's creepy, but they did something like that in an animated movie, I think. Titan A.E. I believe. Stored DNA of every living thing that ever existed on Earth, from plants to animals, in a giant space ship and when Earth died or was killed or something, they cloned everything to life again on another planet. I don't know, I thought it was cool. You're response made me remember it.

[piper]

Well... on one hand it is alarming that something like this would be needed, on the other hand it is wise planning I guess.

The thing that concerns me about our way of thinking is that we don't think in mass scale on the issues that would make a vault like this necessary and work on that.

It's a bit "Ark"ish".....

Good on the seeds though, I guess what is bugging me that I am having a hard time articulating is that if this vault becomes necessary at some point what will be the world that it would be in? Would we even want to live in it?

[TarotDragon]

piper said:

Good on the seeds though, I guess what is bugging me that I am having a hard time articulating is that if this vault becomes necessary at some point what will be the world that it would be in? Would we even want to live in it?

Prety good question, considering they've built this thing to survive a nuclear war. What would the planet be like after something like that?

Another thought. Its always kind of amazing to me that the human race always sees itself as surviving. From this doomsday vault to apocalyptic movies, we always believe there'll be some one to carry on, to keep us going forever. I don't know, might be stupid thought, just sort of struck me while I was rereading these posts.

[Trivium515]

No TD, that's good point. A while back I was watching a documentary on different types of species of trees and plants, and the great and some times unfathomably intricate lengths the plant has gone to to unsure it's species survival, engineering its seeds to adapt perfectly to the environment, it was bizarre in some cases. that is the way it must be or else we wouldn't be here.

the undying will to survive I think is built into all of us, the unwillingness to except annihilation of life, that in itself is amazing to me. In our past we have adapted to every situation that nature has thrown at us, and now we have to learn to survive what obstacles we have put in our own way. So maybe it is just one big test of our strength as a species.
Just thinking...

[TarotDragon]

quicksilver said:

the undying will to survive I think is built into all of us, the unwillingness to except annihilation of life, that in itself is amazing to me. In our past we have adapted to every situation that nature has thrown at us, and now we have to learn to survive what obstacles we have put in our own way. So maybe it is just one big test of our strength as a species.
Just thinking...

Jeez, go all deep on me. ;D

Okay, I'll be serious. Your answer brings to mind that question again of, is this meant ot be? Are we supposed to screw ourselves up so badly just to see if we can make it through? This a test to see if we deserve to survive the mistakes we've made?

[Trivium515]

strictlyplatonic said:

Jeez, go all deep on me. ;D

Okay, I'll be serious.

lol, sorry bout that. ;D

Your answer brings to mind that question again of, is this meant ot be? Are we supposed to screw ourselves up so badly just to see if we can make it through? This a test to see if we deserve to survive the mistakes we've made?

Well, yeah, I like to think it is. I mean why else would we have been given a more developed brain, and...aposeble thumbs when our fellow species weren't? to simply destroy its self? Maybe it's just that we have to mess it up so bad that once we get out of the hole, and I believe we will, we can look back at the pain and suffering we caused and decide that we will never go that way again, and maybe have a better understanding of ourselves and how careful we have to be when it comes to the world around us.

[TarotDragon]

quicksilver said:

we can look back at the pain and suffering we caused and decide that we will never go that way again,

Yeah, I was thinking of that. Kinda like the first time when you're a kid you touch a match even thought your mom says its "hot". You do it anyway and never again. Except this is on a much deeper level.

Sometimes I wonder though, if we're reliving something that's already been done before.

I was watching this show, Battlestar Galactica (shut up!) and there's a line often repeated. "All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again."

Have we been living this existence, come to certain places in evolution and just die and have to start all over again? Like, each time we do, we get a little farther along, but in the end still end ourselves? Will we annihilate ourselves now and have to start from scratch, but the next time we'll get a little farther, maybe to the end? Because I can't see why the universe would keep repeating itself if we got to the right place. If it does that is.

(On a note about that Battlestar line. I plugged it into google and apparently it has Egyptian and Indian origins. Primetime shows are educational I tell you!)

[MagnetMan]

Don't want to sound too gloomy.
But things could really go to pot over the next decade or so.
People talk about the need of a mass change of direction, but actually getting it into gear before it is too late may never happen.
So how could we, as individuals prepare to survive if civilization collapses?

It is not a coincidence that our ranch is located just below a rare uninhabited mountain locality that can allow a group of people to survive indefinitely.

I am talking about the White Mountain range just a few miles from home base. The trails used to be hiked regularly in the 1930.s but no more. They are now over-grown. Indians survived there 6000 years ago.

If we seed the springs and sedges all the way up Furnace Creek with high altitude wild fruit cuttings and wild cereals and add that to the wealth of wild flora and fauna that flourishes on the slopes, we can cultivate a retreat of last resort out here in the Great Desert Basin that few are aware of.

[Trivium515]

magnetman said:

Don't want to sound too gloomy.
But things could really go to pot over the next decade or so.
People talk about the need of a mass change of direction, but actually getting it into gear before it is too late may never happen.
So how could we, as individuals prepare to survive if civilization collapses?

It is not a coincidence that our ranch is located just below a rare uninhabited mountain locality that can allow a group of people to survive indefinitely.

I am talking about the White Mountain range just a few miles from home base. The trails used to be hiked regularly in the 1930.s but no more. They are now over-grown. Indians survived there 6000 years ago.

If we seed the springs and sedges all the way up Furnace Creek with high altitude wild fruit cuttings and wild cereals and add that to the wealth of wild flora and fauna that flourishes on the slopes, we can cultivate a retreat of last resort that few are aware of.

You know this is something that I have thought about alot. The idea that in a sense we will be coming full circle, we started off living at nature's mercy, hunting, farming, and I often wonder if thats where we will be again. Though in that period, the earth was obviously far less crowded, so we can't go back to that simple life where every family had a garden and some chickens and cows, there simply isn't enough room.

So what would happen to the people less fortunate? Some times it's too much to ponder....