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Post by MagnetMan on Feb 20, 2008 20:06:41 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts on hypnosis.
What happens to consciousness?
I have never been under so cannot speak from 1st hand.
But have a theory.
Waking consciousness is a creation of the subconscious. It is a phantom ego created as a companion for the real you.
The subconscious is the eternal/infinite you - the source of all inspiration and ideation.
The hypnotist uses a ruse to by-pass waking consciousness (puts it to sleep) and directly addresses the sub-conscious.
Any other thoughts on this?
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Post by Lasher on Mar 6, 2008 16:25:26 GMT -5
Like a double-personality?
Or like everyone has two sides to their nature... the left and the right?
Or more complicated then that, and as you said... the waking you is the mask, and the real you lies beneath. I have heard that someone under hypnosis is capable of super-human abilities... could it be that that 10% of our brain that we normally use becomes unrestricted? Is it a matter of tricking the body/brain into unleashing it's full potential and overcoming the limits our own make-up has put on us... like people have been known to do in an emergency?
Or is it a matter of tricking the mind into believing it is no longer bound to the physical world?
I have never been hypnotized either... it is hard to imagine that I could be. I suppose anyone who has never been under feels that way though.
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Post by atman on Mar 6, 2008 18:45:42 GMT -5
This makes me think of all the reports of people in operating rooms who say the believed they were in the room, but detached from the body. Here are two:www.topix.com/forum/news/weird/TTANLI1U0O8CUJ0ML#commentsKaye: Aug 23, 2007 While delivering my first baby, during contractions, I felt myself come to a level of pain management with the contractions. I felt my consciousness shift from my body to just above the bed I was in and I was looking down at my abdomen and watching it contract. I felt detached and sort of numb. No drugs were involved in the delivery. Interesting effect in dealing with pain. I understand that POW's in Vietnam who were tortured daily, began to experience out of body observations of themselves, as a way to cope with the pain, and this helped them to survive the ordeal. Tuvok: Aug 23, 2007 I got smacked in the head by a freezer door once and felt like my consciousness had moved to the other side of the room. Lasted about ten minutes. It was really weird. I had closely the same experience as “Tuvock” above. Since I had already been indoctrinated into the frame of thought that, mind, being, and body are separate, that is how I viewed it: 'Being' separated and perceived the body at a slight but definate distance. I was convinced that the real “I” was the one which had separated, since "I" was not seeing through the bodies eyes. As for mind, I did not have thoughts or concepts that were a part of, or attached to it when it occurred, so I have to think that this “I”, had also separated from “mind”. Since there wasn’t any emotion in the occurrence, either, I also separated emotion out, as being of the body and/or mind.
Lots of life experience has accumulated since then, yet this realization has never really left me. It was the starting point for many subsequent understandings which have helped me improve my relationship with others and with the world.
Seems like hypnosis is as MM says, done below awareness of the "I". Into the mind by sneaking past the consciousness!
Anyone else, please?
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Post by Trivium515 on Mar 6, 2008 19:50:08 GMT -5
I have experienced something strange quite a few times and have often wondered if I was under hypnosis. It only seems to occur in an almost dead silent environment, the only noise a repetitive one. Like the running of water, or the continuous chirping of a bird. After listening to these sounds, with no other disturbance, my mind seemed to go into a sort of 'echo-y' state, everything I thought was almost silent but had a sort of echo effect to it. Also my mind seemed to have a lethargic uninterested overtone. This can last for minutes. Is that hypnosis, or am I just crazy?  |
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Post by piper on Mar 7, 2008 20:31:52 GMT -5
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Seems like hypnosis is as MM says, done below awareness of the "I". Into the mind by sneaking past the consciousness!
Yeah I am still thinkin about that one that Magnet Man said about the "phantom ego", and hypnosis sneaking below the "I" Always thought of the subconcious mind as being on a "lower" plane than the conscious mind. Food for thought here. Besides that idea though I agree that it seems like the tricks that a hypnostist uses bypass the mental machinery or sentry at the gate and get people. It's wierd that some people can be hypnotised and some can't. |
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Post by Lasher on Mar 11, 2008 17:00:12 GMT -5
After listening to these sounds, with no other disturbance, my mind seemed to go into a sort of 'echo-y' state, everything I thought was almost silent but had a sort of echo effect to it. Also my mind seemed to have a lethargic uninterested overtone. This can last for minutes. Is that hypnosis, or am I just crazy? No not crazy... I get that feeling sometimes when I meditate... especially in nature with ambient hypnotic sounds. A kind of natural/nature-induced hypnosis... or just you silencing your thoughts and meditating and reaching an altered state. |
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Post by Trivium515 on Mar 12, 2008 0:11:51 GMT -5
No not crazy... I get that feeling sometimes when I meditate... especially in nature with ambient hypnotic sounds. A kind of natural/nature-induced hypnosis... or just you silencing your thoughts and meditating and reaching an altered state. Yeah. I've never been "high" or drunk, maybe thats kind of what it's like? Its a sort of self inducing altered state.  |
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Post by piper on Mar 12, 2008 20:24:52 GMT -5
Hey Glacier who said anything about high or drunk???  It has been proven though that a way to calm a crying baby is to swaddle it and rock it rhythmically and say "shhhhhh" rhythmically while rocking it. The theory being that the motion and the sound of "shhhh" duplicate the conditions of the womb. I just thought I'd throw that in here, not sure of it's relevancy other than obviously we can be reached and our behavior affected on these very subliminal levels. |
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Post by Trivium515 on Mar 13, 2008 15:58:48 GMT -5
Hey Glacier who said anything about high or drunk??? :)What I meant was maybe what I experienced was my brain taking in the rhythmic sounds and relaxing to the point where it entered a natural altered state, instead of a chemical induced one? Though having never experienced a chemical induced altered state, I don't know... And never being hypnotized I don't know if what I experienced is similar... ahhhh, tell me if I'm just babbling and not making sense at all... |
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