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Post by MagnetMan on May 8, 2008 17:33:13 GMT -5
Here's the rub: The more religiously and legitimately a society practices and obeys its customs and laws, the more ordered it will be - yet the less likely for anybody within it to exercise their free will.
When children are indoctrinated from birth onward to conform to strict religious disciplines and entrenched codes of social behavior, the concept of exercising freewill tends not to surface in consciousness. As a result, unless there is a violent external eruption, or some serious mutation within, revolutionary change never happens and society stagnates.
In such an ordered milieu, anybody choosing to break the chain of custom can easily be labeled as a religious heretic or social outlaw - even if the break points toward more efficient means of human advancement.
So we are left with the dichotomy:
Conformity promotes order, yet stifles free will.
Free will challenges order, yet initiates change.
What is the moral?
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Post by fay on May 15, 2008 11:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by fay on May 15, 2008 11:16:55 GMT -5
change will happen=natural law
if effort is not put in to make better then things go bad=entropy
stagnation = death
take control of the change. that means exercise your free will. all man made laws can change to create order, if we are true to the principles.
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Post by rainshine87 on Jun 15, 2008 19:32:39 GMT -5
change will happen=natural law if effort is not put in to make better then things go bad=entropy stagnation = death take control of the change. that means exercise your free will. all man made laws can change to create order, if we are true to the principles. Perception of what the individuals conditioned mind considers 'bad' stimulates the individual to activity = No free will |
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Post by fay on Jun 23, 2008 20:47:39 GMT -5
change will happen=natural law if effort is not put in to make better then things go bad=entropy stagnation = death take control of the change. that means exercise your free will. all man made laws can change to create order, if we are true to the principles. Perception of what the individuals conditioned mind considers 'bad' stimulates the individual to activity = No free will we are free to condition our minds as we like=free will in the beginig parents/caregivers condition us but later when we are mature , we can know the truth and condition ourselves. we can always get rid of and make new habits = free will |
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Post by MagnetMan on Apr 9, 2009 9:40:34 GMT -5
We have the choice to believe
in design
or random effect
other than that
everything else is reaction
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Post by androgyn on Apr 9, 2009 23:28:34 GMT -5
But in quantum physics there is order and random affect both.
Is it not possible that they both co-exist at the same time?
For instance for the most part most people are born normal, but then there are elements that happen in nature that create birth defects, etc. Would you not consider this order and random affect?
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Post by fay on May 11, 2009 0:28:51 GMT -5
But in quantum physics there is order and random affect both. Is it not possible that they both co-exist at the same time? For instance for the most part most people are born normal, but then there are elements that happen in nature that create birth defects, etc. Would you not consider this order and random affect? well, the birthdefects are also the expression of free will on the level of DNA i.e. molecular level. and randomness at the atomic level is also free will. |
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