OSAMA & OBAMA - Twin Agents for Real Change

[Magnet Man]

Obama would have no momentum if it were not for 9/11. Osama got the ball rolling and showed that might is never right by making a multi-trillion dollar military establishment look like a crippled Goliath. It has scared the shit out of the West.

Obama is still technically an agent of the establishment. He needs the Democratic Party apparatus to keep him on the ballot list. The main question is; are there enough pissed off voters to give him a personal mandate to forego politics as usual and throw that whole out-dated socio/economic system overboard and set us all on a new course of global cooperation into the 21st Century. Hopefully he has the broadness of mind to see the big picture.

I would take the trouble to enumerate all the necessary changes here and what general policy could replace them , if it were not for the fact that it takes a book to do that and i have already published such a global agenda in "Psyche-Genetics". With a bit of luck, maybe he will read it.

[nickelfire]

I would agree that the current system is, by and large, in need of repair or replacement, and because my generation is the one to inherit this world from our parents, I am drawn to Obama for president because I believe he may be a real instigator for such ideas.
I watched most of the Democratic California Debate last night and wanted to throw out one or two questions.
How much change to our government can anyone make? Will it be repairing or will real differences be accepted? It seems to me that our entire government is run on older ideas from a bygone era and all we’ve done since its inception is minimal (even though some were crucial) amendments to a 200+ year old constitution. It is no longer affordable or practical to continue politics and management of our country in this way (I think anyways). And although fundamental changes may take awhile (our defunct economy and massive deficit is obviously a big issue), does anyone think major changes are possible or probable? If so, are they in the near future?
Thanks.

[Magnet Man]

nickelfire said:

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How much change to our government can anyone make?.

Read the thread on Is Republicism Passe?

[nickelfire]

Thanks, I'll check that out.

[murex]

We need to stick to the Constitution, or ammend it. Ignoring it isn't right, and it's been ignored in recent years.

Undeclared war is one of these things ignored, and not talked about much. I only like Obama on the aspect of ending the War, but I hate everything else he talks about. Socialism is not a good thing to get into.

I feel the only cannidate for actual change is Ron Paul. He's honest, has an awesome voting record, and isn't a corrupt neo-con. Also, the rest of the republicans hate him, which says something.

[nickelfire]

murex said:

We need to stick to the Constitution, or ammend it. Ignoring it isn't right, and it's been ignored in recent years.

Undeclared war is one of these things ignored, and not talked about much. I only like Obama on the aspect of ending the War, but I hate everything else he talks about. Socialism is not a good thing to get into.

I feel the only cannidate for actual change is Ron Paul. He's honest, has an awesome voting record, and isn't a corrupt neo-con. Also, the rest of the republicans hate him, which says something.

I don’t see how Obama is supporting socialism… He’s very liberal but not socialist…
The fundamentals of our system are still sound ideals… Democracy, Freedom of religion, speech, press and all that… But it’s become so complicated… we're a nation of thousands of laws… many of which are illogical and hampering, founded on corrupt ideals, and an unfair economy…
Socialism has become a tarnished and ugly thing, but, fundamentally, it was started to empower the common man, and stop the power from solidifying among those with all the wealth. After that is where it obviously became unsound, and I don’t support most systems founded on it.
However, capitalism has also become just as equally ugly, and it only supports the few lucky rich, and keeps the majority of the population in the middleclass, struggling to make ends meet. The rest are impoverished…
So when I hear ‘socialism’ brought up negatively, I feel inclined to inform that capitalism is equally unfair… it’s just been publicized nicer…
I hope this isn’t taken in the wrong way, these are simply my views on the subject, and I’m open to discussion… I love you all! Really… ;D

[murex]

Well, social security is an unfair system that will eventually dwindle into nothingness before I get the benefit. Socialized medicine is silly, because I have no need for it, but I have to pay for it. All this stuff seems to do is benefit old people. We should have individual funds for retirement, and medicine.

[nickelfire]

murex said:

Well, social security is an unfair system that will eventually dwindle into nothingness before I get the benefit. Socialized medicine is silly, because I have no need for it, but I have to pay for it. All this stuff seems to do is benefit old people. We should have individual funds for retirement, and medicine.

In agreement their, all current systems are self-serving and corrupt, medicine should be free for everyone because life and health should be protected, not bought and sold… Cleaner life styles and natural medicine need to be promoted so that society as a whole will be prevented from needing the doctor so much; unnecessary sickness serves no-one but the insurance companies.