Miracle Cures

[MagnetMan]

From a metaphysical point of view
all sickness is psychosomatic
even direct injury has a self-destruct implication
In other words, there are no accidents
everything is by Divine design

This being so, all can potentially be cured psychically.
IMO the requirement for a "miracle cure" is an intense form of inward focus on the heart chakra.
It might be helpful to explore this concept with like-minded souls.

Skeptics and physicists, please try to be constructive or at least stay neutral, we all learned science at school and do not need to be reminded about that point of view. The hospitals are crowded with patients who have no other point of focus and the medical books are crammed with every physical cure known to man.

This is a strictly spiritual approach to good health. We do not want to be side-tracked explaining the basic tenets of metaphysics in order to get to the point of this discussion.

I have studied various forms of psychic healing since the 1970's and would like to put all I have learned into perspective.

Like to hear your comments in the meantime.

[soulatom]

As one who has been through the ringer on the medical system I couldn't agree with you more. It is strange that the first law of the medical profession is "First do no harm" because it is rare that I have gone into the doctor that I haven't been poked prodded sliced and diced. Sure they have managed to keep the illness somewhat at bay but at what cost. I have a body that feels 30 years older than it should and not a good 30. Not a content, well lived happily tired kind of 30 years older than it should.

There are few drugs on the market that don't cause harmful side effects.

Prior to my illness I hadn't been to the doctor.

So definitely, we should learn from the time we are born to practice those spiritual methods which are so healthy, non invasive, and could actually take us to where we need to get to anyway. It is my belief that the heart is the portal to God consciousness and those that can enter the heart chakra are entering the realm of God.

It is quite obvious that we are not winning the battle against ill health with the increase in technology, the advancement of science etc. Sure life expectancy has gone up but at what cost.

So thank you magnetman for reminding me where my attention shoud be :-)

[tabinda6]

IMO the requirement for a "miracle cure" is an intense form of inward focus on the heart chakra.

Thank you magnetman, this certainly strikes.

I feel it is not only an intense focus on the heart chakra, but an urge from God, to look behind the scenes; to find out how miracles happen; to get to the heart of matter; to study the lives and ideas of those blessed personalities who are known for miracles.

Heart is closer to God than any other organ of our body. So an inward focus on the heart chakra can in fact be an inward focus on God Almighty, the Generator of all miracles :-)

[MagnetMan]

Religious history is replete with story's of miraculous cures.
The salient question is; are these claims myth, or are they real?

The best answer comes from the little town of Lourdes in the south-west of France, where a young French girl named Bernadette Soubirous claimed she received visitations from the Virgin Mary.

From that time in the mid 1870's to this, tens of millions of the world's incurably ill have made the pilgrimage to Lourdes, in search of a miraculous cure. The current number of yearly Pilgrims is 5 millions. Of all those millions, there have been 66 cases that have been confirmed miracles - by both the medical profession and the Catholic Church.

Most people scoff at this record and say it is all rigged.

Below is an official record of the confirmation process:

Every year about six million people from around the world visit the town because of its reputation for miraculous healing of incurable illness. Despite the age of scientific rationalism we are supposed to live in, the numbers of visitors are going up dramatically.

And, astoundingly, the miracles are still happening. Jean Pierre Bely, a French man, was confirmed as recently as 1999 by two separate medical and scientific committees associated with Lourdes as having been cured of multiple sclerosis (following his pilgrimage to the town) in a way that was scientifically inexplicable - the science code for a miracle.

The sick first started turning up in substantial numbers in Lourdes from 1875. They were attracted by a report that a blind man could see again after bathing his eyes in a spring discovered by a peasant girl, who had been told where to dig for it by visions of the Virgin Mary. Eight years later a local medical bureau was established properly to check allegations of miraculous cures, in order to protect the reputation of the town from fraudulent claims.

Some cynics would say these independent doctors and scientists are merely collaborating in an exercise in maintaining the powerful image or "brand" of Lourdes. Yet this committee, which has since grown in size and sophistication, will now spend years checking individual cases, with up to 250 different doctors interviewing and testing a patient, before a claimed cure will be accepted as not explainable by science.

Even at the end of this exhaustive process, the case is then turned over to an independent international medical committee, where another set of doctors and scientists re-examine the case and conduct further tests. Then the phenomenon is finally submitted to a vote among the investigating scientists - as to whether any other explanation other than a miracle is plausible. For example, was the condition accurately diagnosed in the first place?

The final part of the process occurs when the Church is invited to decide whether it wants to pronounce that, since the cure is inexplicable scientifically, it is therefore a sign of God's intervention.

Given the scientific rigor of the process, Jean Pierre Bely had to wait a decade before his sudden ability to walk during a mass at Lourdes, despite previously suffering from a debilitating disease, was officially sanctioned as not explainable by science. The toughness of this scientific peer-review process explains why only 66 Lourdes cases since 1862 have made it to official "miracle" status.

It is intriguing that the Catholic Church puts up with such a small number of divine interventions, given that about 7,000 pilgrims have sought officially to claim that a miracle has happened to them since the medical committee has existed. Instead, the Church is relying on scientists first to validate the claim that an event cannot be accounted for by natural phenomena before religion proceeds to sanction a cure as a divine event. This would appear to be an implicit recognition by the Church that science is a privileged method for getting at the truth, a relationship with science that has never been officially acknowledged by religious authorities.

From this record from Lourdes we can accept that psychic cures are indeed possible and that if they happened at Lourdes, it is reasonable to assume that they have also happened all over the rest of the world throughout the Ages.

So the next questions are:
Who is chosen among the millions and why?
Exactly what takes place that effects the cure?

It is religiously believed that somehow or the other there is direct intervention by the spirit of the saint or deity the sufferer is praying to.

Yet the millions who go to Lourdes all claim the same prayer.
So, logically, if it is spiritual intervention via prayer, then the selection must be based on the depth of the supplicant's sincerity

So we are back to heart.
What is it that takes place in the hearts of all those you have been miraculously cured? What special focus do they have that all the millions of others do not?

[nickelfire]

I don’t think anyone could rationally object to a mind over matter type medicine, science itself has proven that a positive disposition or a positive environment is extremely conducive to better health. As for miraculous interventions, the numbers don’t lie; terminal or life-long illnesses don’t just heal themselves. Even if it is only a small minority of people being healed, there must indeed be some kind of hallowed ground within Lourdes; any skeptic should be able to admit that, after coming to terms with themselves that it’s not a hoax, that is.

[soulatom]

magnetman said:

So we are back to heart.
What is it that takes place in the hearts of all those you have been miraculously cured? What special focus do they have that all the millions of others do not?

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I had a strange vision one time. hard to relate in words because it was so much about feeling. And though I don't proclaim to be a practsising Christian my vision was about Christ.

He was on the cross and as I looked out there was a sea of people. Not like in our world but in another world. The people were people who had been forgiven , saved, healed...etc.

They were crying and you could feel the heartache in everyone of them. It was a beautiful feeling because it was not the heartbreak of something being taken away from them but the heartache of that thing that had broken them in the first place being restored. Their hearts had been broken open and love had filtered in.

The feeling of compassion was overwhelming and Christ was communicating to the people not to be sad because he had been crucified for their salvation, it was so little in the light of their souls being realised and returning to God.

He had taken their pain and they knew it. There are no words to describe that feeling in that place. Very sacred.

I felt a privledge at being allowed a peak into that moment.

[MagnetMan]

soulatom said:

[ He had taken their pain and they knew it. There are no words to describe that feeling in that place. Very sacred.

I felt a privilege at being allowed a peak into that moment.

Beautification image soul! A rare privilege indeed.
All about the Christ Heart.

I have no statistics on this of course, but I would say very few bhakti practitioners have serious illnesses. When the heart is joyfully and lovingly evoked, it neutralizes and repels negative energy.

The vision you had, soulatom, and the feelings expressed by the crowd while Christ suffered on the cross, is, I believe, very similar to what happens when a miracle cure takes place in Lourdes.

Bernadette died of bone cancer, perhaps the most painful of all deaths. The tumor on her knee was the size of a grapefruit, before she shyly let her Mother Superior in the convent see it. She had been kneeling on it for months. The revelation instantly transformed the Mother, who had been Bernadette's biggest doubter, into a believer.

I think the 66 instant cures, as well as the 7000 others that healed more gradually, where all the result of heart-felt focus on Bernadette's pain, as well as their own - a mutually shared experience - a heart to heart realization that everyone with a heart, not just Christ, must suffer for all the ignorances of the world. This shared dynamic ignited enlightenment, beautification and healing.

So here we are a small group of jnanis talking about love.
How does an intellectual analyze the self - contact the God within - and in a moment of mutual recognition, affect a miracle cure? Is it possible?

If you are all willing, I would like each of you to respond to the following:

1. When did you fall ill?
2. What is the nature of your illness?
3. What was your mind-set at the time?
4..What is the subsequent pathology of your illness?
5. How has your mind and emotions dealt with it since?
6. What is your personal future prognosis of the illness and the impact is will have on the quality of your life?

I may ask more questions as we go along. But if you will answer these six a fully as possible, your answers may resonate, not only with some of the thoughts and feelings I have on the subject, but also with those suffering with you.

God Bless.

[soulatom]

magnetman said:

1. When did you fall ill?

Will gives this a shot here the best I can....appreciate you're taking the time for it, though I am not real good witht he written word....
1. Got sick in 2002 after being in good health, running 5 miles a day, good diet, etc.

magnetman said:

2. What is the nature of your illness?

2. Breast Cancer

magnetman said:

3. What was your mind-set at the time?

3. I am not sure what your asking me here. Prior to being diagnosed what was my mind set? I didn't think about illness prior to being diagnosed because I was never sick. Upon being diagnosed my mind completely shut down. My mind set was completely oblitereated. I went to the doctor because I had a huge bulging red lump protruding from breast that was sore. Even then I just assumed it was an infection. When I was diagnosed with cancer my mindset was fear and death. I was on a train doing what the doctors told me to do without thinking about it really. In fact I tried to do everything that was supposed to restore well being to the body. I did herbs, meditation, exercise, chemo, etc.

magnetman said:

4..What is the subsequent pathology of your illness?

My illness was borderline terminal at the time of diagnosis and it has spread to my lungs, bone and other breast.

magnetman said:

5. How has your mind and emotions dealt with it since?

Roller coaster ride. Though I do believe there is a clarity in my spirit that was never present before. I have tried everything I can think of to exact a cure. Self examination has been key and I am a firm believer that illness is psychological in predisposition.
I believe that cure comes from within. Also I know that no matter what the medical profession thinks they can or can't do ultimately "God wills it"

magnetman said:

6. What is your personal future prognosis of the illness and the impact is will have on the quality of your life?

The doctors have determined that cancer is what will kill me. My mind fights with that reality every day practically every moment of my life. It may have taken me a long time to come to it but this isn't necessarily my belief.
Cancer has certainly had a negative impact on my life physically, emotionally, mentally but corny as it sounds that isn't the only thing that has come out of it.
I feel as if I was living in a dream. Nothing whatsoever that I thought was real was real. Nothing in this world is. There has been a lot of correction that has been exacted and that correction has brought me closer in my trust of God.

[MagnetMan]

soulatom said:

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3. I am not sure what your asking me here. Prior to being diagnosed what was my mind set? I didn't think about illness prior to being diagnosed because I was never sick.

This is a key question. How clear and loving towards yourself and others did you feel prior to illness? Did you harbor any ill-will?

[soulatom]

OHHHHH.....that. I was in a relationship that I was extremely negative about. Judgemental and unforgiving toward another person. Therefore unforgiving toward myself and not feeling the love that is for sure. This relationship was also reflective of my chronic dysfunction in life with other relationships so can imagine that the tightness and poison to my body was immense. It had reached immense porpotions in my mind. I think that we self annihlate.

[MagnetMan]

soulatom said:

OHHHHH.....that. I was in a relationship that I was extremely negative about.

Negative feelings about another are directly related to criticisms of the self. Most of this negativity stems from infant trauma - parental neglect or unfair sibling contests (too closely spaced siblings). Ill-feeling is the breeding ground for manifested illness.

The healing begins with thorough self-examination. The self needs to be forgiven. In order to do that absolute honesty is imperative. One cannot allow the ego to try and mitigate trespasses. No matter how embarrassing they might be, one has to delve into the under-lying psychology and lay the soul bare before the Creator God within.

Sometimes self-shame ignites a burning fire in the solar plexus (manipura). Allow it to burn, even add more fuel to the fire. But do not let it get out of control. That is simply ego over-reacting, seeking an escape clause from the life contract - even to the point of suicide as the ultimate act of self-spite.

Rhythmic breathing, via alternating between the left and right nostrils is a tantric method of taking control of the purification process. Imagine in-coming electric-blue oxygen fanning the flames and turning dross into ashes - then imagine breathing out the golden-yellow ashes through the other nostril. Keep this proactive up daily until every single nook and cranny is cleaned and no more bad karma surfaces.

After that it is also important to further humble the self and make a heartfelt apologies and reparations if possible directly to any and all who have been the subject of your resentment or dislike.

The cleansing of the soul must be followed by a period of atonement.

Sometimes the process of self inquiry is not triggered by a catastrophic illness or the death if a loved one. It may begin below the surface of awareness. This can lead to depression - which can become chronic, since one does not know why one feels depressed.

Zen Buddhism has direct ways of confronting overt and covert self-loathing. Rudely ask the self: Who is the one suffering? Who is the one witnessing it? Self-pity is the self defeating the self.

There is no escaping self inquiry. whether one is trying to effect a cure or not, the summing up of life and sitting in judgment on it, takes place for all of us in the death moment.

There is no way anyone can die without asking why? Whether one is falling over a cliff and has only seconds to live, or weeks on a death bed, the process is the same. Time is meaningless. Every single second of one's life is paraded before the consciousness.

One judges one's self and shame on the death bed is shame indeed, for no time is left for atonement. The life after passing remains a sad one until the chance for atonement is granted.

If all self-inquiry ordeals listed have been experienced, the penultimate question is: How do you feel about yourself now?

If that answer is at least half-way satisfactory, the final question can be asked.

[tabinda6]

Re: Miracle Cures
« Reply #6 on Mar 7, 2008, 10:37am »

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Mar 5, 2008, 5:19pm, soulatom wrote:[ He had taken their pain and they knew it. There are no words to describe that feeling in that place. Very sacred.

I felt a privilege at being allowed a peak into that moment.



Beautification image soul! A rare privilege indeed.
All about the Christ Heart.

I have no statistics on this of course, but I would say very few bhakti practitioners have serious illnesses. When the heart is joyfully and lovingly evoked, it neutralizes and repels negative energy.

The vision you had, soulatom, and the feelings expressed by the crowd while Christ suffered on the cross, is, I believe, very similar to what happens when a miracle cure takes place in Lourdes.

Bernadette died of bone cancer, perhaps the most painful of all deaths. The tumor on her knee was the size of a grapefruit, before she shyly let her Mother Superior in the convent see it. She had been kneeling on it for months. The revelation instantly transformed the Mother, who had been Bernadette's biggest doubter, into a believer.

I think the 66 instant cures, as well as the 7000 others that healed more gradually, where all the result of heart-felt focus on Bernadette's pain, as well as their own - a mutually shared experience - a heart to heart realization that everyone with a heart, not just Christ, must suffer for all the ignorances of the world. This shared dynamic ignited enlightenment, beautification and healing.

So here we are a small group of jnanis talking about love.
How does an intellectual analyze the self - contact the God within - and in a moment of mutual recognition, affect a miracle cure? Is it possible?



1. When did you fall ill?

5 1/2 months after birth.

2. What is the nature of your illness?

Post-polio paralysis of lower limbs.
3. What was your mind-set at the time?

According to my parents and the my photos
that they took when I was a baby, I was a very happy child.

4..What is the subsequent pathology of your illness?

Week nerves and muscles, scoliosis in lower spine, pelvic tilt.

5. How has your mind and emotions dealt with it since?

I felt like a normal person, and got along with my disability. I have been and still am an active person.

But -ve actions/comments of those who are close and to whom I look upon for encouragement, reassurance and appreciation have made things complicated.

It has been a long time of struggle and suffering. Now I want to be cured.

6. What is your personal future prognosis of the illness and the impact it will have on the quality of your life?

I am already suffering. I don't get time to rest. The brace that I wear on my right limb is heavy. The full length crutches I use make my shoulders ache all the time. My underarms have blisters because of the crutches, and I have muscular pain in my arms and shoulders.

If this goes on, old age will be difficult.

As for future, God will cure me. He won't leave me alone in pain. He will take care of me. He is my Protector.

[MagnetMan]

tabinda6 said:

It has been a long time of struggle and suffering.

You have indeed carried a heavy cross for a long time.
I am sure you have wondered why. Has any answer come?

There are a few more serious questions, but first please try and answer the above as best you can.
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[soulatom]

magnetman said:

Negative feelings about another are directly related to criticisms of the self. Most of this negativity stems from infant trauma - parental neglect or unfair sibling contests (too closely spaced siblings). Ill-feeling is the breeding ground for manifested illness.

Absolutely agree with you here. What you don't like in yourself you can't stand in someone else or them reminding you of what you don't like in yourself. Sibling and parental resentment was a big issue for me I know and was mirrored through out all my relationships in life.

magnetman said:

The healing begins with thorough self-examination. The self needs to be forgiven. In order to do that absolute honesty is imperative. One cannot allow the ego to try and mitigate trespasses. No matter how embarrassing they might be, one has to delve into the under-lying psychology and lay the soul bare before the Creator God within.

This one also very difficult and again as you say the Ego can be masterful. The saying "just do it don't think about it" comes to mind because if you allow yourself to think about it all you will probably find a reason not to go there. I have residual doubt that I could ever have done enough of this, but also feel resolved in this that I feel so different about those relationships now than I did a few years ago. It was never the other person that much I know for sure. For me it is to practice now when those situations come up so that I don't fall into blaming someone else now.

magnetman said:

How do you feel about yourself now?

Humbled.....not as afraid that the "real" me will come out and we will have a repeat of everything I didn't like about myself. There is the imperfect self and there is the perfect me that is God's creation.

[tabinda6]

I am sure you have wondered why. Has any answer come?

Yes. I feel I have been given a chance to understand and feel the pain and feelings of infants, children and disabled people, so that I can do something for them.

I know how it feels like being challenged in childhood, teenage, young age, adulthood and prime age.

I also know exactly what happens and how it feels when authoritative and abusive behaviour effects the overall (emotional, psychological, mental & physical) growth of an individual.

I have a deep yearning to love and help lost sould. I want to do something for children.

Thank you for your questions